Beardo31

8 minutes ago, Jouaram said:

Based on these screenshots:

It shows there was a 30 minute gap between becoming weed grower and actually buying a weed grower entity, is this correct?

@Beardo31

This is correct as I was attempting to build a base during this time, then I had given up once the person I was basing with had left the server.

12 minutes ago, Lofi said:

this new job is at a very high demand ATM and sitting on the job watching TV not doing said job is a good way to make people up set and make sits about it, we have had multiple other people either offer the job off for money or you get a PM from someone asking for it, its happened to me first person to message me about it usually gets it when I am not using the job because that's the fair thing to do set a good example for the newer players that join that haven't even gotten to try even if you still make good money there is plenty other jobs. Sure its fun because its new but cant be hogging it and just waiting for the right mood to grind again is not ok.

 

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12 minutes ago, Goku said:

   If you are attempting to RP while using a money job that is very highly sought after then you should switch jobs. This has nothing to do with personal gain its so that others who havent had the chance at the job can use it. 

So taking a 10 minute break is not allowed and worthy of a demotion?

1 minute ago, Danny_Mcflurry said:

This needs to stop now, Yes She was given Permission To, It has been a thing for a long time just never written down. Why would it make sense for you to be able to only be the job to sell it or just sit around? 

The thing about that was I was only sitting around for a mere 10 minutes, taking a break from basing to actually rp, and interact with people, and I wasn't selling the job either, so I did nothing that deserved demotion.

8 minutes ago, hann said:

As I had stated in an earlier reply, I had been speaking with both Danny and ThiccYe regarding players holding jobs whilst not actively making money. I was given the okay to demote players who are obviously not using it. The job only allows 6 players to use it at a time, and with a chat full of players who are trying to try to use it for the first time or use it to actually make money, it seems fair to demote players who are just sitting watching tv and not using the job for 10 to 15 minutes. This was not an attempt to abuse my powers, obviously. I have recieved the okay from multiple higher-ups that the demotion was valid. There was absolutely no bias. I will express this again, as I have already stated many, many times before. It is not fair to hold a job that you are not actively using when it is in such a high demand. 

Do you see me flying around looking for players AFK on Weed Grower? No. I was sitting in my base and was notified of the situation.

And if you actually watch the video and look in the bottom left, I was already using the Weed Grower job at the time so how that is 'using my power for my own greed and pursuit of wealth' is beyond me. 

Sorry but I don't think you actually listened or looked at any of the evidence provided.

Could I see a screenshot of proof that you were given the okay to demote people who were not actively using their weed grower job?

Just now, King Von said:

dont care have fun getting denied all this effort for nothing 😙

Thank you for your input, and questions! 

2 minutes ago, King Von said:

i mean this rule is similar just its basing instead of job. hann did da right thing

Well if it's the same thing it should be stated as such in the rules, I shouldn't've been demoted based on a rule that, A.) doesn't exist, and B.) is only similar to another rule (why you may ask? see A.)

11 minutes ago, UnclearCrowd said:

When a staff is noclipping around and teleporting ususally there not approaching you as a player...

As I said before "I was watching a TV, not looking at chat, I would have to go out of the way too look at chat, and as I've said again and again, I wouldn't knowingly run from staff I've played this server for over a year and I'm aware of the fact that they could just tp me to admin land, freeze me, or grab me with phys gun if needed, now if Hann had done any of these things I would have been aware that he was coming to me as staff, not as a concerned player. I'll also say this again, this is no longer about the weed grower job, this is about Hann demoting me over a rule that doesn't exist at the moment"

11 minutes ago, Goku said:

  I feel that this was a fair demotion even if it was for a couple of minutes it wouldn't be such an issue with a low - demand afk-ish job but this was kind of unfair to the many people typing in chat that they wanted weed grower. 

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While this may be based on what you feel, is it what the rules say? Going by the current rules it would make this demotion illegal as there is no rule that say I am not allowed to not use the job for 10 minutes.

11 minutes ago, King Von said:

id make the same excuse if i was in da situation stop cappin

I was watching a TV, not looking at chat, I would have to go out of the way too look at chat, and as I've said again and again, I wouldn't knowingly run from staff I've played this server for over a year and I'm aware of the fact that they could just tp me to admin land, freeze me, or grab me with phys gun if needed, now if Hann had done any of these things I would have been aware that he was coming to me as staff, not as a concerned player. I'll also say this again, this is no longer about the weed grower job, this is about Hann demoting me over a rule that doesn't exist at the moment.

11 minutes ago, Oddity said:

Hello Beardo!

I can see where the frustration can come from with you losing your job but the job is being used HEAVILY right now. We've had many problems with people AFKing the job to "keep" their position with it. 

 

From what this shows you were asked a simple question and you ran to avoid it. This is not taken lightly as when staff ask a question it is so that we can make sure nothing is against the rules. In this case you were asked where your job stuff was so that we can make sure you're not just holding it for later. When you run and don't answer we CAN and WILL jump to the conclusion you're just holding it.

Though it is not in the rules as of right now we have been talking to MANY people about this being not allowed. It would be VERY stupid if we allowed people to log on right as restart happens to just grab a job and hold until they're fully active hours later.

 

You saying that you'll start using the job isn't fair as during those 15 minutes someone else could've used it and gotten cash. It may not be fair that you were swapped off but it's also not fair that people who aren't even doing their job are taking up a limited space job, especially since it's a max of 6.

 

In conclusion, you had the job not doing anything with it for ~15 minutes and needed staff to talk to you so you'd return to actually using it for its purpose. Along with this instead of simply talking to the staff you decided to run and then use the Noose SWEP to suicide. If you simply do not feel the need to listen to staff then we will simply not feel the need to listen to you when you say you'll set up a base. It's only fair that we give back what is given to us.

 

I hope that none of this diminishes Aether's rep to you and that you continue to enjoy our server and community! Enjoy the rest of your day and stay safe!

I had ran away from Hann as in the moment I had believed that they had just walked to me and found me to ask a question, I was unaware they were coming to me as staff, I've stated before that I've played this server for over a year, I wouldn't just run from staff on purpose. The real time that I was not actively using the job for was under 10 minutes, and plenty of people take short breaks like this from grinding in order to actually have fun instead of staring at plants growing. And lastly, I'll reiterate, I feel the demotion was unfair as no where in the rules does it say that becoming a job and not actively using it will result in demotion, I truly believe that this was an abuse of power in order to benefit someone who had the foreknowledge that I would be demoted (the person who they were talking to in the clip Hann provided), and this is reinforced imo by the lack of willing to listen on Hann's part, granted they had already tp'd to me, but as I stated before I didn't know they came to me as staff. 

12 minutes ago, King Von said:

broskii i dont think players can teleport to anyone 😙

I was unaware at the moment that they had teleported to me, I've played this server for over a year I wouldn't just run from staff.

4 minutes ago, UnclearCrowd said:

If you wanted to talk about it you should have talked about it when first confronted. Instead you ran away from a staff member. Theres obviously something gonna be done. And you only cared when you were threatened for the job to be taken away from you. And at the end of the day, just leave the job if your not using it. Let other people have fun. -1

4 minutes ago, King Von said:

Ur an idiot bud -1

maybe next time answer the question bozo 🥱

1 minute ago, RussianOverlordWaifu2 said:

-1 idiot mate, fucking use your job when you are on it.

All the same responce to these posts, I wasn't using it for literally 10 minutes as shown by the ss Hann provided, I believed that Hann approached me as a player, not staff, so I felt I didn't have to answer them. And lastly (and most importantly) Hann demoted me over a rule that DOES NOT EXIST, this thread isn't really about if I was using the weed grower job or not, it's about the fact Hann abused their power as staff to demote me over a rule they even admitted doesn't exist in the clip Hann provided.

9 minutes ago, Madi Raven said:

"They werent staff at the moment"

Did you time travel? 

High demand job + people sitting on it not using it = complaints and "why cant I sit on the job like they do?" 

No thanks. -1

What I meant by "They weren't staff at the moment" was the fact I wasn't tp'd to admin land, and I believed they were talking to me as a player, stop arguing over semantics. I wasn't using the job for 10 minutes, is that really demotion worthy? Not to mention that currently there is no rule in the rules that says "you will be demoted if you are not always actively using the job" I was demoted based off of a conversation they had with Jouaram, a potential rule, they even admitted that the rule wasn't in place at the moment.

Please elaborate, I was taking a less than 15 minute break after a base I was basing in had been removed by the prop's owner, besides at this point the thread is no longer about the weed grower job, it's about Hann enforcing a rule that doesn't exist, and demoting me without a just cause.

3 minutes ago, hann said:

The weed grower job is in high demand. It is unfair on other players who are actually wanting to use the job to just sit down and watch tv, not using the job. We had no idea of knowing your intentions to sell or to just sit AFK on it, however, you were not actively using it for 10 minutes (as you stated). In that time so many players had expressed they were wanting to use it. You can't just hog a new job that is in high demand. It is not fair.

While it may not be fair, the fact is you demoted me based on a rule that isn't in effect, and as you said was talked about, this thread isn't really about me losing the weed grower job, now this is more about how you unfairly demoted me based on a rule that was only talked about, and that doesn't exist at the moment. Not to mention with the clip of the sit that you've provided I have reason to believe that the demotion was also to help someone that you knew, as the whole reason you tp'd to me was because someone you were talking to wanted the weed grower job.

24 minutes ago, Danny_Mcflurry said:

You Had your chance to keep the job By actually using it, you can be citizen to watch a tv don't be so selfish and let someone actually use the job as its meant to be played

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I took a less than 15 minute break after losing a base, and in turn I was unjustly demoted, Hann has posted screen shots in this thread showing that I was not actively doing the job for 10 minutes. Not to mention that your focusing on a small part of a bigger picture, the fact of the matter is that Hann demoted me based on a rule that doesn't exist at the moment, I would be completely fine with the demotion if the rule was newly implemented at this morning's reset, but it wasn't, all they said was that the rule was discussed, they even said this in the clip posted.

16 minutes ago, hann said:

Just today I had  been speaking with @Danny_Mcflurry and @ThiccYe about players sitting on Weed Grower not actively using the job. I had a friend tell me there was a Weed Grower sitting in a room near fountain watching TV with no set up. I teleported to you and asked you about it, you immediately ran away. I kept asking and then you suicided. I don't understand why you would feel the need to do this when it is a simple question. By the way, I do not need to be Staff On Duty to do my staffing job. 

I checked the logs to see when you had last actively used the job and you had been Weed Grower for 49 minutes at the time my screenshot had been taken and the last you used any items from the job was 16 to 20 minutes prior, only placing hydro pots. You were not actively growing weed or anything. And then as soon as you were called out on it, you decided that you were going to base then. I'm sorry, but it if not fair to other players who haven't had a chance to use the job yet. 

Evidence below:

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/sV5O0Ml_eNCz_/d1337lasvD0I?invite=cr-MSw5UDgsNTU5MTExNjEs

I will admit that In the clip I mentioned a rule that I am not entirely sure will be getting added, and it is just in discussion at the moment. But then I told him if he had an issue he could take it to Jouaram. 

 

While I admit I didn't handle you asking me if I used the job well, and that I hadn't used the job in about 10 minutes (as the ss shows), I still believe you had no right to enforce a nonexistent rule with no proof that my purpose of becoming weed grower was to sell it when in fact I'm against selling the job, I've said many times before that people should just give the job away, and I myself give the job away too so new players can get a chance to make lots of money. I was in fact going to set up a base, but my previous one had been deleted by the prop's owner so I took a break as it made me lose the feeling of wanting to base, so I figured I could interact with the community by watching TV with some people until you had came along. And while I do agree that it wasn't fair to other players to not be actively using the job, it wasn't inherently against the rules at the time, again giving you no basis to demote me within the rules.

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/sV0AYEoUgp2Ys/d1337ku3lnfM?invite=cr-MSxoMWMsNTAwMDI2MzEs

Link to video of Hann and myself talking

In-Game Name: Beardo31

SteamID: STEAM_0:0:196203814

Player/Staff You Are Reporting's Name: Hann

Is This Complaint For A Staff Member Or Player?: Staff

Reason For Complaint: I was watching a movie with some other player for approximately 5 minutes when Hann had approached me and asked if I was actively basing, I ran away as I felt I didn't need to answer as they weren't staff at the moment. Hann then teleported me to admin land and informed me of a not yet implemented rule in which weed growers were not allowed to take the job unless they actively had a base set up for it. After Hann informed me of this rule that was not in place yet I told them I'd make a base because I was unaware of the (nonexistent) rule, they proceeded to ignore the fact that I was willing to set up a base, and gladly use the job, instead opting to demote me from weed grower to citizen. I feel that this was an abuse of their power because I was willing to use the job as intended, I was not given a choice of keeping the job, and the rule in which he cited doesn't exist at the moment (7/18/22). Proof of conversation posted below, and proof of demotion in console.d1337X8oC80q[1]

In-Game Name: Beardo31

SteamID: STEAM_0:0:580532201

Player/Staff You Are Reporting's Name: Monkee

Is This Complaint For A Staff Member Or Player?: Player

Reason For Complaint: Monkee abused props to block himself off in an area of the pd where I could not reach him in order to rob the police vault, he could not be reached from either side of the sewers entrance of the PD. In the moment I called staff and no one responded, so he deleted the props when the raid time was up, and stole the money from the vault.

As you can see in the screenshot posted, Monkee is the only one near as you can see that he's the only person who can hear me talk, and you can see his outline (due to us being in the same clan), lastly on both sides of him you can see a "blastdoor001" prop making him unreachable to me.

+1, Good idea, would finally allow police to close the door without a 10 sec warning lol

@Pooshi

+1, usually he's a gun dealer of sorts, and provides a service to the server. Overall a good person!

Good luck!

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+1

Good experiences with player, interacts with community, and has a pretty good staff app to go along with it!

Good luck!