Kutakazi_

Making the vault collection zone bigger will also combat any player who does this.

1 hour ago, yousetoffmytrap said:

hmm

hmm

2 minutes ago, Dildozerr said:

That's the thing, you would've been right and handled it properly if you made ANY attempt to look at the rules when you didn't know a rule. It's literally the first rule under advert rules..

And the rules very clearly don't contradict each other they could not be more clear. They have nothing to do with each other. According to the advert rule, if someone adverts you can want them. The other rule states you have to witness them committing a crime. I WITNESSED him advert the raid. The other rule would come in to place for example, if some random person came up to me and said "Ballsack just adverted that he was gonna raid someone!" and I want him without ever seeing the crime, or him adverting that hes committing the crime.

How tf did you clear up the grey area if your entire defense in this situation is that the server rules contradict each other... How would that be my fault and warrant a 10 minute jail even if I were in the wrong? In the time of me jailed Ballsack raided PD, killed mayor, and then became the mayor. I literally could do nothing then had to get off because PD was no longer available or fun due to your invalid jail. It served 0 purpose.

I said:

1. yep
2. as i said
3. it was confirmed by pooshi
I am sorry for not realising I said this in chat, as I was more looking for the exact words you wrote in my chat logs.

You say here that I didn't make any attempt to look at the rules. The only reason I even went to get clarification from Pooshi was because I know of both rules as I have stated. I made a decision about what I think was right that you rebutted, so I went to Pooshi to make a final decision. I feel like I made the best effort to make a correct ruling, going as far as to contact another staff member because I was confused at the rules.

You have never accepted, nor stated the fact that I went to a different staff member higher than myself in rank, and entrusted them to make the final decision. Nowhere did I ever say that it was just my opinion, always saying that a vet mod has said. As stated before in my first reply, and in your most recent reply, you never trusted me to know any rules to begin with, which is why I was constantly stating what someone I consider trustworthy said. You considered my opinion of the same level as garbage, assuming that I didn't read the rules when I have clearly stated the two rules that I thought was affecting this sit in my first reply. 

I cleared up the grey area for myself, as I personally thought there was a rule contradiction. You only believed in the first rule and Ballsack only believed in the second rule. I then brought this up with another staff member who cleared it up. 
 

1 hour ago, Dildozerr said:

The way you staffed was just weird. You had the other guy calling you mommy being your best friend and you letting him absolutely roast and insult me the entire sit without stopping any of it, and shut down my side without even looking into the harassment or confirming in the rules. You just didn't care and I got punished for you not caring.

Sorry for not responding to this bit of one of your previous posts. I was not active at the time when he called the sit, when he called me mommy or when he attempted to demoted you. I took his sit as it was the only one on my screen when I came back from playing games on my phone. Me and Ballsack are not friends on any platform. We both know each other as one of the players on aethernetwork.gg, exactly the same as how I know you. I have stated the fact that I was tabbed out many times to confirm the rules with Pooshi, and I have also stated that if you said something about harassment, either I was tabbed, or I was busy in thought. 

You stating that I didn't care is completely false. If I didn't care, why would I go out of my way to confirm it with another staff member? Why would I take time to convey everything the other staff member said to you? I didn't want any false jails/warns, so I confirmed it with another staff member to stop that from happening. Wouldn't it have been easier if I didn't check anything and just straight up jailed you without taking the time to listen to what you have to say, then tab into discord to say what you said to the other staff member, then tab back into game and type what he said to you?

See above response for the first bit.

35 minutes ago, Dildozerr said:

Why would it warrant a 10 minute jail for something that was clearly a grey area and not me just randomly arresting someone trying to cause issues

As I stated before, I cleared this grey area up with a vet mod.

8 minutes ago, Dildozerr said:

1. It doesn't contradict the second rule. I witnessed his advertisement. That is witnessing the crime. That rule has nothing to do with adverts and is solely aimed against meta gaming such as wanting or arresting someone for seeing their kill feed but not the crime (as kill feed is OOC information unlike advert). If I am witnessing them adverting that they are raiding, then I am witnessing them admit to a crime. 

(Jouaram clarifies this with the rule he posted above)

As stated in my above post, 

18 minutes ago, Kutakazi_ said:

Both rules contradict each other, so I acted on my common sense, the rule that is specified more in the rules, my previous experiences and later, an opinion from a higher up. 

Let me explain my common sense. No thief willingly will tell the whole world that they are stealing something. Therefore, the want was invalid, as Dilldozerr was not reported about the crime in a RP manner. I am also going off some of my other server experiences. I used to staff on servers where adverts for crimes are unneeded, specifically fighting against players who use that information that you are unable to gain normally in RP. I understand that the other server I staffed on is vastly differing to this server, but from my previous experiences, enforcing the second rule seems much more logical. 

My view on these rules is the following, largely opinionated from my common sense, which is further opinionated by real life. Advertisement means a notice or announcement in a public medium promoting a product, service, or event or publicizing a job vacancy. Advertising something like a gun store is advertising something to a public medium, for everyone to hear. However, why would someone willingly tell the public medium that they are committing a crime? Therefore, I view advertising in GMOD, specifically criminal actions, as a way for staff members to accurately keep track of raids. Using combat logs/lockpick logs are not enough to prove and keep track of a raid, as players may start shooting into the base, but not being hit or hitting any players. The criminal advertisements are more of a "hey guys, I'm following the rules!" aimed directly at the use of keeping track of them following the rules, more than telling the entire server that they are committing a crime. 

I have always assumed the "acted on" part of the rule is enforced like the following. A player says that they are 'Giving away 100 million!' in advert. If they don't follow through with what they said, then their words can be used against them in a staff situation. 

As stated multiple times, my decision is based off common sense. No criminal will advert their crime. They are only being forced to advert their crime to keep track if they are following the server rules. 

27 minutes ago, Dildozerr said:

2. You never even mentioned that rule once. EVER in the sit. So it had 0 play in your decision at all you only stated that it was meta-gaming and I asked specifically to clarify "so you think advert is an out of character chat?" and you said "yes advert is out of character" you literally said that on video lol

Just because I didn't mention the rule, doesn't mean I don't know about the rule. The rule was mentioned more than a dozen times by Ballsack in text chat, which I can read even if he sent the message while I was tabbed out. I did not feel the need to repeat what Ballsack was saying. I do not remember stating that I said "yes advert is out of character." Especially since both you and Ballsack told me my mic didn't work, and it not being in my chat logs given. If I did say it, it was most likely referring to the fact that in my opinion, the criminal advert is out of character.

As stated above, the advert is explaining the in-game event, and gives liability for the player who used the advert to follow the rules, or his advert can be acted on by staff.

I never once said that I am 100% right, because I am not, so after you started to argue with my opinion, I went to a vet mod to ask for his give on the topic. My whole response above is from my opinion, as it is my response. In my response I stated that the rules contradict each other, as that is what I think. The rules contradict each other.

First, about how you said you were treated in the sit.
My mic was apparently really bad, so my conversation in this sit can be proved in the logs as I only used text chat to communicate.
As I have said, the first thing I did about this was ask Pooshi, as I saw this as a grey area. I do not recall Dildozerr saying that the sit caller, Ballsack, harassing him or calling a demote on him. This is most likely caused by the fact I had to constantly tab in and out to discord, to clear up what Pooshi has said. From what I am currently seeing when I check through the logs, I only see Ballsack write about the RDA once in chat. "// nice rda Dildozer". You have stated that you have a video of Ballsack harassing you, but from all I can see currently from the logs, it shows no harassment being committed. I will write about the demote later in this thread.

1 hour ago, Dildozerr said:

The situation was handled extremely poorly and I have a video of him saying it was meta-gaming to be using adverts in-game. When I asked him to explain how adverts were out of character, he would only say "I dont know thats what pooshi told me".

This line is untrue and can be proved by logs. I also view your arrest against Ballsack to be illegitimate. Here is what I said: (A full picture of my chat logs will be attached below.)
1. i asked a vet mod that it is metagame
2. pooshi said no
3. i just talked to pooshi, you didnt witness the raid, you were not at the raid itself to see him
4. the advert doesnt count
5. at this point pooshi has said it sint
6. isnt

I constantly repeated that I have escalated this situation to the next best available person, a vet mod. I have only done this as you have already started to become extremely difficult in the sit as soon as you have been brought. My belief was that interjecting what I view as a "higher-ups opinion" was better than arguing with you about who is right and wrong. When you were still constantly being difficult in the sit, I constantly told you to, instead of arguing in the sit, bring it up to the forums. I again, tried to calm this situation by confirming what Pooshi says, saying:
1. adverts are just for someone to let them know you are raiding, not for police to want them
2. the advert doesnt count
3. if you have any complaints about this, go to the forums, but currently, i have been told it isnt allowed

As you can see above, I have repeated many times about the situation and the ruling. You kept being difficult, which I assumed was you looking down upon my rule knowledge as I am only a moderator, so I, instead of arguing, asked for Pooshi's opinion. I never said "I dont know thats what pooshi told me", as I also know what my ruling was, I was just asking Pooshi as it seems like you don't think my ruling is correct. I was constantly trying to deescalate the situation by telling you to, instead of arguing, to go on the forums but you wouldn't listen and insisted on arguing about something that I firmly thought was incorrect. 
Second, about the actual rule and sit itself.
There are two rules. 
1. All adverts are considered as in-game RP and can be acted upon, including raid adverts. 
2. You may only warrant for things you have witnessed or have been reported to you in a RP manner. 
Both rules contradict each other, so I acted on my common sense, the rule that is specified more in the rules, my previous experiences and later, an opinion from a higher up. 

Let me explain my common sense. No thief willingly will tell the whole world that they are stealing something. Therefore, the want was invalid, as Dilldozerr was not reported about the crime in a RP manner. I am also going off some of my other server experiences. I used to staff on servers where adverts for crimes are unneeded, specifically fighting against players who use that information that you are unable to gain normally in RP. I understand that the other server I staffed on is vastly differing to this server, but from my previous experiences, enforcing the second rule seems much more logical. 

From what I understood from when I was actually tabbed into GMOD, Dilldozerr's opinion is that as the rule states that the advert is considered in-game RP. Dilldozerr thinks that advert is basically like a global radio, with everyone being able to act and hear it.

1 hour ago, Dildozerr said:

Considering it is an IN-CHARACTER chat broadcasted to everyone, I wanted him for raiding. Cops have been doing this all throughout the entirety of ret AND aether and I have done it many times myself. Each time in both ret and aether when it has commonly happened, staff have ruled it to be allowed. Because they have common sense and realize it is an in-character chat. It is the same as if someone adverted where there gun shop was, then you use that information to go and buy a gun. If you don't want to be pursued by the police for committing a crime, then don't commit the crime.

His opinion follows only one rule, not both of them. Raid adverts are in-game RP, but he was not given this information in a RP manner. However, I think that his opinion is not wrong, as the rules can also be interpreted as adverts are basically a report in RP, like when someone tells you information, but to everyone on the server. 

1 hour ago, Dildozerr said:

Cops have been doing this all throughout the entirety of ret AND aether and I have done it many times myself. Each time in both ret and aether when it has commonly happened, staff have ruled it to be allowed.

If so, I was not informed of this special ruling to clear up two rules contradicting each other. I do vaguely remember you saying that it was usually allowed on ret and aether, but I don't have any evidence supporting your claim, which is why I continued with giving you the warn.
The demotion.
Dilldozerr has stated in this report that Ballsack attempted to demote him when staff was online. This is true, however, Ballsack only attempted to demote Dillodozerr after he made the sit. As I can not see the exact times when Ballsack called the sit, called the demote, and when I took the sit, I am going to assume that as no one took his sit, he used the demote command instead. If my assumption is correct, this means that no staff were active on the server when he called both the sit and the demote. 
In conclusion.
As the rules contradict each other here, I went for an opinion from a higher up to back up my opinion. As we both viewed the arrest to be false, I attempted to explain to you why it was false, however, you kept on being difficult with me. This could of been my lack of a working mic. As I had the confirmation of a higher-up about the situation, I kept telling you to instead of arguing in-game, to go to the forums. I jailed you for RDA | PW, as you were on your second offence, which is a 10 minute jail.

I see

Can confirm that Kangaroos are the main form of transportation.

3 hours ago, NapalmJester said:

did it for the vine

Oh. -1

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hmmm

halo + 24

Mushroom man best man

7 hours ago, DreadnaughtV2 said:

thats what im thinking...I think I'm going to -1 that because vaping is bad for your health and I think the mayors say "vaping is illegal" because he cares about the citizen's health and wellbeing!!!!

agreed

1 minute ago, Pinkk said:

Thanks Kuta for the +2, Jjust know from here on out I will be calling you out on every grammar mistake you make cutie. ❤️

Check your capitals please.

2 hours ago, Pinkk said:

 

DarkRP Rule Questions

• Raids can last how long?: Raids last 10 minutes, the timer starts when the raid is initiated (lockpick, keypad cracker, etc)
• If a player in your party dies mid-raid, how long do they have to wait to come back?: If a player in my party dies mid raid they have 3 minutes before they can come back to the base and continue defending. If you were the Rraider you can not come back once you died until raid timer.
• What initiates a raid?: A raid is initiated by adverting raid (/advert raid) 
• If no raiding tool is being used can the player steal the item from a base without an advert?: Yes stealing entities/ stealing from entities is allowed without adverting as long as you don't need to use a raid tool and your job is able to steal. 
• Give an example of a valid raid advert (type it as you'd type it in-game): /advert raid
• If the owner of the base is standing outside on their base entrances sidewalk as you're about to raid but haven't announced a raid yet, can you kill them?: No you may not kill if you haven't done the correct advert.
• If you get arrested mid-raid can you return after your arrest?: The only way you are able to return is after your raid timer is up, once you get arrested the raid is over.  (raid timer is 20 minutes)
• If you get RDM'd are you allowed to kill the RDMer back without repercussions?: No, this would be revenge RDM and is never allowed,. iIf you are RDM'd you would need to use the @ chat to reach a staff member.
• A player punches somebody unprovoked and runs away, the player who got punched calls a sit - what punishment would you give the instigator?:  Killing or damaging a player without a valid reason counts as RDM. I would check the players past warns and warn them/ban them based on their PW's
• List all default Laws of The Land: The default list of laws are as follows, 1.Raiding is illegal, 2.Money printers drugs and explosives are illegal, 3.Bitcoin racks are illegal (not smalls), 4.Harming other players is illegal unless defending your base, 5.Life Threats are illegal, 6.Having a gun license automatically makes all weapons on the user legal whilst holstered, 7.Kidnapping, theft and harming another player are illegal, 8.Using dangerous weapons in public is illegal, 9.Laws must be enforced with AOS instead of KOS unless the Police Officers life is in danger or the player is wanted, 10.Non-default laws must be things that players have to go out of their way to do, 11.Laws that are seen as baiting kills or arrests are disallowed.
• How many bases can you own per party?: One 
• A player is refusing to co-operate with you in a staff sit, how do you handle the non-cooperative player?: If a player is not co-operating with me id I would have to freeze the player to ensure that he/she they fully understands the reason why they are getting warned or banned,. I would make sure that everything is done by the book.
• Can you punish a player for intentionally ruining others time, even if they say it's out of fun?: Yes, If the player is intentionally breaking rules to ruin others time,. iIf the player hasn't broken any rules I'd I would inform the player on what they're doing and how it's affecting the other player,. tThere's many different ways to handle this and id I would handle it accordingly depending on the situation.
• Give an example of a Staff abusing their powers and how you would handle it: An example of staff abuse could be noclipping through a base before a raid to scout it out and look for radiables, if i I saw this happen id I would use my clipping software that i I have and is reliable to obtain the evidence id I would need.  Id I would message a higherup (on discord/or in game if they are on) to make sure that the problem has been handled.
• A player is excessively RDMing, how would you intervene/stop them from continuing and what punishment would you give?: If a player is intentionally RDMing in large numbers id I would freeze them, bring them to me, take them to land, then check for previous warns and talk to the player to see what the issue was.  If it was their first offence id I would give them a 3 day ban for Mass RDM.
• A Mayor enabled a lockdown without reason and is refusing to turn it off, how do you resolve this?: If a player is Mayor and initiated a lockdown without a valid reason id I would inform the mayor that they need a reason to do so,. iIf they didn't know and it was not intentional id I would have to make sure and check previous warns. If they did this before and are intentionally disobeying the rules id I would warn them based on their past warns.

• Many grammar mistakes.
• Informal language used.

6.5/10

Extremely cool dude to base with. 
+2(HAHAHA NO +1 FOR YOU)

I think adding an NPC to remove wants will heavily buff runners and players with movement items, allowing them to get away scot-free. Currently, if you are a runner or a player with a movement item, you will need to avoid police for the duration of your want or risk being killed or arrested. Having an NPC to remove wants will allow players to instantly get unwanted, instead of needing to make a choice of risking it out in public, or avoiding police altogether. 

I think only certain items should be disabled in spawn to prevent the movement of other players in spawn. 

2 hours ago, Scare said:

your welcome to join us aswell anyone is welcome to base and hang out 

I personally only like basing in my own bases. Thanks for the offer!

I see

^

Personally wish that doing just upgrade will do all available upgrades.

+1 as long as they are not in public hands.

2 hours ago, DreadnaughtV2 said:

Negative One

take a screenshot everytime you mug someone and then add it all up manually
#MathIsFun

Agreed